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The scale hasn't moved in a week, what am I doing wrong (except weighing to
much)?
I am not eating that much. Yesterday all I had was 1/2 a pack of oatmeal,
two pieces of cheese and 3-4 ozs of potato soup. That is a typical day for
me. Expect durning the work week I will drink a bottle of isopure protein.
I am not walking as much as I should be, but I did clean house all day
yesterday, that should have been some exercise.
I need advice, please.
Laurie

I am 99.9% sure the Saturday meeting will happen.

I see no reason why we can not have a meeting on Saturday Dec. 18th. We seem to have an alternative location to have the meeting if the hospital is not available to us. I will email more information (i.e. time and definite location) later this week. This meeting like all our meeting is open to all so lets have some Vista people too.

LETS HAVE A GOOD TURN-OUT.

Talk to you Lighter...

Bubba

Hi Shaune,

Congratulations on the birth of Avery. She is so beautiful. I am glad to hear you are both doing well. We will miss you at our meeting and look forward to seeing you soon.

Thanks for posting the reminder for our meeting I know you have your hands full. It is nice to know you are keeping up with us. Thanks again. God Bless.

Have a Merry Christmas.

Bubba

So glad to hear all went well with the baby! She is absolutely
beautiful! And you look radiant holding her!
If you take as much care with her as you do with us, she is one
lucky little girl. You'll be an awesome momma.
Congratulations sweetie!
Jodi

Hello folks! Hope all are doing well!
I will not be able to attend the Tuesday meeting, since I will be
at church, trying to get myself into heaven and all...
I would LOVE for everyone to get together on a Saturday (the 18th
sounds terrific) so the variety of groups can meet! I feel like I
know some of you already! So if my vote counts for anything, I vote
YES!
Well, I attended my first post-surgery Christmas party Friday
night. I did pretty well food-wise. Just a bit of munching, but
nothing over-extending. However, I DID discover that I can drink
alcohol & it has no ill effect on me. I am not sure if this is a
good thing or a bad thing. Some wine & some mixed drinks... and they
all went down fine. Nothing with carbonation in it, because that
stuff just hurts.
Can't drink milk, but rum seems to be okay.
Go figure.
Jodi
RNY 10/5/04
270/236/148

I wear the pacth could this info apply to me? should I take this to my doc?
Happii na <happii2002us@...

From: http://www.cancerfacts.com/Home_News.asp?CancerTypeId=4&NewsId=1555

The pill may be culprit behind false-positive Pap tests
Source: (cancerfacts.com)
Monday, July 07, 2003
COLUMBUS, Ohio -- July 7, 2003 -- Women who take oral contraceptive pills may get an inaccurate Pap smear test if their physicians use a specific kind of Pap test.
The researchers found that of the 84 women who tested abnormal with the ThinPrep® Pap smear, two-thirds were found to have no abnormal cervical squamous cells upon rechecking.
The research team led by Dr. Gerard Nuovo of the Ohio State University School of Medicine, found that in each case, the cells lining the cervix looked like cells infected with the sexually transmitted human papillomavirus (HPV), a leading cause of cervical cancer. All of the women were taking oral contraceptives at the time of the initial test. The study appears in a recent issue of the journal Cancer Cytopathology.
"That's a lot of women who were told that they had a venereal disease but really didn't," Nuovo said in a prepared statement. "Not only that, but HPV is also a precursor of cervical cancer. We don't see cases of cervical cancer without the virus present."
When diagnosing a Pap culture, pathologists look for irregularities in cervical squamous cells. Squamous cells line the surface of an organ.
The faulty Pap smears were originally diagnosed using the ThinPrep Pap test, a fairly common test that filters out red blood cells and inflammatory cells in a Pap smear, making it much easier for pathologists to see any abnormalities in cervical squamous cells. Nuovo believes that it's the nature of the ThinPrep testing method a high-pressure system that filters out unwanted cells that changes the physical appearance of healthy squamous cervical cells to look like cells infected with HPV.
Nuovo and his colleagues reviewed six months' worth of ThinPrep® Pap test data from nearly 1,000 women on oral contraceptives. They compared the rates of atypical squamous cells detected in this group to the atypical squamous cells rates in more than 1,200 Pap smears from women not taking birth control pills. The reported rate of low-grade dysplasia among women taking an oral contraceptive was more than twice that of the women not taking birth control pills (9 percent vs. 4 percent).
"That's a huge difference," Nuovo said. "It meant that either oral contraceptives put a woman at higher risk for developing abnormalities in her cervix, or that the testing method was somehow causing healthy cells to mimic virus-infected cells."
Going with the latter theory, the researchers went a step further and re-analyzed the Pap smears from the women in the oral contraceptive group. The specific kinds of oral contraceptives the women used weren't named in the study. The researchers used a testing method that tested specifically for the presence of HPV in cervical squamous cells.
They found that just 33 percent of the 84 Pap smears that had originally tested positive for low-grade dysplasia actually contained abnormal cells.
"This relatively low detection rate suggests that apparently abnormal cervical cells in most young women taking oral contraceptives really only mimic HPV infection," Nuovo said. "The ThinPrep test was causing changes in the cells that we had never seen before with a conventional Pap test."
While the healthy and infected cervical cells were similar in shape and size, the key to detecting HPV infection resided in the area surrounding the cell nucleus. In infected cells, this space was clear; in healthy cells, the area was slightly cloudy.
Nuovo thinks that it's the high-pressure filtration system used by the ThinPrep Pap test that flattens out healthy cervical squamous cells, changing their shape to resemble those that look like the flat, round cells infected with HPV.
There are subtle differences, however, between a healthy and an HPV-infected cell; for one, healthy cervical cells have a glassy, opaque look, while infected cells are clear. A well-trained pathologist should be able to make the distinction, Nuovo said.
He advises women who test positive for atypical squamous cells of undetermined significance to request that either a second pathologist re-check her Pap test results or that she undergo testing for HPV. Such tests run from about $50 to $150 and insurance generally covers most of the cost, Nuovo said. He also suggests that a woman ask her doctor which Pap testing method the lab uses.

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so can you use it for like 16 weeks.. go without it for some time..
then use it again in the future?---

HELLO EVERYONE!!!
I hope everyone is doing fantastic, and that you all had a Happy
Thanksgiving! I truly had so much to be thankful for this year...
Avery Claire was born two days before Thanksgiving on November 23,
2004. She weighed 6 pounds, 3 ounces and was 19 1/2 inches long.
She was a bit early, due to my elevated blood pressure....my doctor
thought it would be best for both she and myself if she went ahead
and took her. So....she is here!! Mike and I are so thankful to
have a beautiful, healthy baby girl to love! I have posted a
picture of her.
I am so sorry that I will not be able to join all of you for the
December meeting. It will be held on Tuesday, December 7 at 6:30
p.m. at the RWMC Cafeteria. Everyone is invited to bring a dish
(and the recipe to share with everyone) like we did last year. Keep
in mind....there is no pressure to bring anything, but we did have
some delicious items last year!!! If you have any questions, please
contact Karen Simpson at 225-687-5673. I hope you have a great
meeting....and best wishes for a wonderful Holiday Season!
Take Care-
Shaune

From: http://www.cancerfacts.com/Home_News.asp?CancerTypeId=4&NewsId=1555

The pill may be culprit behind false-positive Pap tests
Source: (cancerfacts.com)
Monday, July 07, 2003
COLUMBUS, Ohio -- July 7, 2003 -- Women who take oral contraceptive pills may get an inaccurate Pap smear test if their physicians use a specific kind of Pap test.
The researchers found that of the 84 women who tested abnormal with the ThinPrep® Pap smear, two-thirds were found to have no abnormal cervical squamous cells upon rechecking.
The research team led by Dr. Gerard Nuovo of the Ohio State University School of Medicine, found that in each case, the cells lining the cervix looked like cells infected with the sexually transmitted human papillomavirus (HPV), a leading cause of cervical cancer. All of the women were taking oral contraceptives at the time of the initial test. The study appears in a recent issue of the journal Cancer Cytopathology.
"That's a lot of women who were told that they had a venereal disease but really didn't," Nuovo said in a prepared statement. "Not only that, but HPV is also a precursor of cervical cancer. We don't see cases of cervical cancer without the virus present."
When diagnosing a Pap culture, pathologists look for irregularities in cervical squamous cells. Squamous cells line the surface of an organ.
The faulty Pap smears were originally diagnosed using the ThinPrep Pap test, a fairly common test that filters out red blood cells and inflammatory cells in a Pap smear, making it much easier for pathologists to see any abnormalities in cervical squamous cells. Nuovo believes that it's the nature of the ThinPrep testing method a high-pressure system that filters out unwanted cells that changes the physical appearance of healthy squamous cervical cells to look like cells infected with HPV.
Nuovo and his colleagues reviewed six months' worth of ThinPrep® Pap test data from nearly 1,000 women on oral contraceptives. They compared the rates of atypical squamous cells detected in this group to the atypical squamous cells rates in more than 1,200 Pap smears from women not taking birth control pills. The reported rate of low-grade dysplasia among women taking an oral contraceptive was more than twice that of the women not taking birth control pills (9 percent vs. 4 percent).
"That's a huge difference," Nuovo said. "It meant that either oral contraceptives put a woman at higher risk for developing abnormalities in her cervix, or that the testing method was somehow causing healthy cells to mimic virus-infected cells."
Going with the latter theory, the researchers went a step further and re-analyzed the Pap smears from the women in the oral contraceptive group. The specific kinds of oral contraceptives the women used weren't named in the study. The researchers used a testing method that tested specifically for the presence of HPV in cervical squamous cells.
They found that just 33 percent of the 84 Pap smears that had originally tested positive for low-grade dysplasia actually contained abnormal cells.
"This relatively low detection rate suggests that apparently abnormal cervical cells in most young women taking oral contraceptives really only mimic HPV infection," Nuovo said. "The ThinPrep test was causing changes in the cells that we had never seen before with a conventional Pap test."
While the healthy and infected cervical cells were similar in shape and size, the key to detecting HPV infection resided in the area surrounding the cell nucleus. In infected cells, this space was clear; in healthy cells, the area was slightly cloudy.
Nuovo thinks that it's the high-pressure filtration system used by the ThinPrep Pap test that flattens out healthy cervical squamous cells, changing their shape to resemble those that look like the flat, round cells infected with HPV.
There are subtle differences, however, between a healthy and an HPV-infected cell; for one, healthy cervical cells have a glassy, opaque look, while infected cells are clear. A well-trained pathologist should be able to make the distinction, Nuovo said.
He advises women who test positive for atypical squamous cells of undetermined significance to request that either a second pathologist re-check her Pap test results or that she undergo testing for HPV. Such tests run from about $50 to $150 and insurance generally covers most of the cost, Nuovo said. He also suggests that a woman ask her doctor which Pap testing method the lab uses.

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The maximum approved time to use Aldara is 16 weeks.
Apparently you have been using it for at least 25
weeks. The Aldara itself can cause redness. If the
Aldara is not working you might consider a different
approach to managing them.

i've been using aldara for about 6 months now and its helped somewhat...except for the warts i have now which wont seem to go away. but anyhow i have about 5 right now and a couple are no longer raised but the area is still red. now i dont know if the wart is gone and the red is just irritation from the aldara, or if i should still keep applying it. also there is an area where i dont even remember treating for a wart but it's just a small red patch, i put aldara on it for a short period of time and it did nothing to it. im not sure what it is from. if anyone has any suggestions or personal experiences i would appreciate some help on this subject.

I cryed alot then called Andy (my boyfriend as of 5 months).I was honest told him I didn't know alot I was scared he was out of town,he freacked a little too,He told to gather info about this online,he is going to his doc today to ask some questions,this has made it very hard on us as a couple,I think he wanted to sow some wild oats and now feels he can't or something.He's only been with 4 girls inculeding me and feels like this is beucase I sewed mine already a little,I feel aweful but I can't live in dispare things must get better,maybe after he talks to his doc's they will make him feel better.I told the guy I was with before Andy and he didn't even care,he siad"I have no warts,I never had any" and then siad he still always wears a condum.I told him to be careful and even though even though he only broke up with his ex shortly in 7 years and was with me that they could both had this at one time and definalty still are carriers.About the others..I still need time to do
this.It's hard to call pepole who were rotten to you and tell them stuff like this.Just be honest...
angel_317_2002 <angel_317_2002@...

I don't want to sound naive about the virus, but should I have any
concerns about spreading the virus in a public pool or hot tub?
my other question is how have some of you gone about telling partners
without the the virus, that you have it?
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Hi Giff,
I think that's a great question. I don't know the answer, but am
very curious. If you happen to find something will you please let us
know.
My doctor acutally used some sort of vinegar test on me when I was
first diagnosed. Has anyone heard of such a thing for men?

does anyone know of any tests out there for men....i do not have any warts or any signs, but my ex has lesions on her cervix that were diagnosed as HPV. We dated for 2 years so i pretty much have it...but would like a test to be sure....every doctor ive talked to said there is none...is this true

Giff
Happii na <happii2002us@...

Seems to be updated information from the ASHA web site. It's always reassuring the here good info from a trusted HPV source. :) Happy Monday!

Happii

Will I have the HPV virus forever?
Probably not. HPV infection is very common, but it usually goes away within 1-2 years.

I am shocked to have a virus that is usually sexually transmitted! How should I respond?
Just remember that almost everyone gets HPV at some time. HPV is not likely to change your life. If you have tested positive for HPV there may be a short period of time during which follow-up may seem to be a bother, but little more. Cervical cancer, the most serious problem associated with HPV, is rare and almost always prevented through regular testing for cervical cell changes that could lead to cancer.

Key Points to Remember:
Cervical cancer is preventable. Early detection of abnormal cell changes is important.

Almost all women will have HPV at some point, but very few will develop cervical cancer.
The immune system of most women will usually suppress or eliminate HPV. Only HPV infection that does not go away over many years can lead to cervical cancer.

It can be helpful to know your HPV status.
This can help determine how often your clinician will recommend that you be tested.

Dont blame yourself or your partner.
Your HPV status is not a reliable indicator of your sexual behavior or that of your partner.

1) Most Important: The registration fee is presently $38.00. After July 20th, it will go up to $48.00 so, if you haven't paid your fee yet, get a move on! Click here to pay by credit card: http://www.AtlantaHClub.com/eventfee.htm, or you can mail a check or money order to:

Matthew Murray

643 Main St.

Palmetto, GA 30268

If you choose to pay by check or money order, please send your email address so that we can let you know we have received your payment. Also, if you are paying for someone else, please include that person's name as well.

2) We are now advising everyone to call 404-762-7676 to make your reservations, rather than using the toll-free line. We're sorry for this inconvenience but, after several mix-ups with the toll-free operators, we think it's best to do it this way. Please be sure to tell them you are with "The Atlanta Club" to get the special rate of $79.00 per night!

3) Saturday night is Fiesta night and we are encouraging everyone to "get into the spirit"! You can get sombreros, maracas, and other "South of the Border" stuff at Party City (that IS a national chain, isn't it??) Not sure how much the maracas are, but I know the sombreros are around $3.00 or so. I am still looking for a place that carries ponchos and the colorful mexican skirts and tops. If you know where I might find those, please let me know! (someplace besides a costume shop, I mean)

4) I'm sure there's more but I can't think of anything else just now. For all the details on the event, please go to:

http://www.AtlantaHClub.com/hotlanta2003

Or Email Us:

Atlanta H Club @ Atlanta H Club.com

Hope to see you all there!

Leigh

Seems to be updated information from the ASHA web site. It's always reassuring the here good info from a trusted HPV source. :) Happy Monday!

Happii

Will I have the HPV virus forever?
Probably not. HPV infection is very common, but it usually goes away within 1-2 years.

I am shocked to have a virus that is usually sexually transmitted! How should I respond?
Just remember that almost everyone gets HPV at some time. HPV is not likely to change your life. If you have tested positive for HPV there may be a short period of time during which follow-up may seem to be a bother, but little more. Cervical cancer, the most serious problem associated with HPV, is rare and almost always prevented through regular testing for cervical cell changes that could lead to cancer.

Key Points to Remember:
Cervical cancer is preventable. Early detection of abnormal cell changes is important.

Almost all women will have HPV at some point, but very few will develop cervical cancer.
The immune system of most women will usually suppress or eliminate HPV. Only HPV infection that does not go away over many years can lead to cervical cancer.

It can be helpful to know your HPV status.
This can help determine how often your clinician will recommend that you be tested.

Dont blame yourself or your partner.
Your HPV status is not a reliable indicator of your sexual behavior or that of your partner.

I don't want to sound naive about the virus, but should I have any
concerns about spreading the virus in a public pool or hot tub?
my other question is how have some of you gone about telling partners
without the the virus, that you have it?

it might just be strep throat. that presents with white pus pockets in
the throat and on the tonsils. go see a doctor to be sure.
=====
across the universe,
rebecca:)
work towards emptiness and openness
cultivate stillness breathe harmony become tranquility
as ten thousand things rise and fall
rise and fall
just witness their return to the root...

Well hopefully it something else none STD related,I can't handle my boyfriend if it's something else like that..
Dr Control <drcontrol2000@...

Before you jump to conclusions, get to the doctor and
have your throat looked at. People get sick all the
time. Now that you have hpv it does not mean every
new symptom is caused by it. Most likely you have
something else. But check it out.

Before you jump to conclusions, get to the doctor and
have your throat looked at. People get sick all the
time. Now that you have hpv it does not mean every
new symptom is caused by it. Most likely you have
something else. But check it out.

Well now I found 2 white spots on the back of my throat,they are icthy and kind of anoying they hurt a tiny bit too,I thought it was something just stuck back thier,My grumpy boyfriend now even more upset saw that thier was 2,since I have shown HPV on my cervic even though on a cellaur level could these be worts on my throat?Things keep getting worse and how come I am the one getting all the shit for this and he just thinks it's all my fault...aghhh!!!
Karmen Nicole <karmen_nicole2003@...

hi there... Cheer up dear. There are many people that have hpv and don't know that they have it. You can still get it if you use protection, it just slows down the process. You must also remember that you are not only sleeping with him, but everyone he has slept with also. Sometimes you really can't tell who you got if from. Afterall someone had to give it to you. Hope this helps you.
a_dragonprincess <a_dragonprincess@...

Hello..I am new here,my boyfriend is a very very careful guy,he
trusted me and had unpertected sex with me,I am only his secound with
out.A couple months later this HPV showed up on my cervic,I have no
warts and nobody I was aware of before him had any visable warts.I
wasn't as pure as him,I feel aweful.I feel this would never have
befallen him if he trust me.This was only my frist pap smear and it
was after we had been together a month.I am scared he will resent me
and think deep down it's my fault.Not many studies say this can show
up even if you use pertection.He is a sweetheart I don't want to lose
him or him to blame me.Or resentment may ocurr..I can't deal with
being something he regrets.
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I have the same dream so dose my boyfriend,we are at the same piont you are,he has no warts nethier do I.But we know this has altered everything...I know things have to get better but it's hard..
"Larry C. Bowman" <larryb@...

I"ve only been recently diagnosed with hpv i have no cauliflower
like growths or any warty like growths at all just some flat mole
looking spots on the shaft of my penis and its been a year and a
half since i've had sex there are about 5 spots now they've been
there since february and no change in them they have stayed the same
no growing or multiplying my question is would they have grown or
changed with in six months or how long does a break out take etc etc
could I have been misdiagnosed I have to wait till aug 1st before
they do a biopsy my insurance doesn't cover the medicine they
prescribed me so i'm sitting here in wonderment sort of confused
with what to think I feel as if my life is over I have had plans of
a family the white picket fence my own computer repair business
children a dog and a cat etc etc now this has happened and i'm just
at a loss. if you would and if you can talk and relate please add me

Shoot, I think I'm immune to alcohol now. And I'm not sure if we can
drink wine coolers and such. Looks kinda bubbly to me.
Anyone ever drink a coke and live? Yesterday I was soooooo sick.
All I wanted was some 7-up, nothing would stay down. I tried some
gatorade and got a refund on it. Just couldn't find anything that
would work for me.
a

Mike...
it goes away.
Hey, lemme answer it:
(What have I done to myself, #1 question everyone asks post-op...)
YOU HAVE CHANGED YOUR LIFE. You will like yourself more and more
each day now. And the scale...you used to hate the scale, right?
(Wiz smiles and thinks of how she had to buy a special weight
watcher's scale because she already red-lined the old one.) Mike...I
had surgery 2 months and 4 days ago. I've lost 42 lbs. I can weigh
on a normal scale.
The bowls you used to eat out of...they're going to dry rot. Get
used to people telling you how good you are looking...
It takes a few weeks to adjust. Stock up on Sugar Free Popcicles.
They are my favorite thing now. Be sure you get the Sugar Free
Popcicles... There's another kind at Wal Mart, they come in a bag
and cost about $1.50. They have banana and coconut and blue
rasberry. They're not bad.
As far as Blue Bell...ummm...nobody wants a green popsicle...
Drink your protein. Make sure it's whey. Don't get soy, you won't
lose as much weight. I've tried all the bars and everything, the
scale gets stuck.
And watch out for sorbitol. Rule of thumb: if sorbitol is an
ingredient...only eat ONE. Unless you're constipated.
anna

I"ve only been recently diagnosed with hpv i have no cauliflower
like growths or any warty like growths at all just some flat mole
looking spots on the shaft of my penis and its been a year and a
half since i've had sex there are about 5 spots now they've been
there since february and no change in them they have stayed the same
no growing or multiplying my question is would they have grown or
changed with in six months or how long does a break out take etc etc
could I have been misdiagnosed I have to wait till aug 1st before
they do a biopsy my insurance doesn't cover the medicine they
prescribed me so i'm sitting here in wonderment sort of confused
with what to think I feel as if my life is over I have had plans of
a family the white picket fence my own computer repair business
children a dog and a cat etc etc now this has happened and i'm just
at a loss. if you would and if you can talk and relate please add me

Hi Kara
There is some places where they will take care of it for free.
I didn't pay anything to take care of mine, I got them frozen.
Everyone was very nice, everything was very clean, everything was fine.
Try to do a search for places like that on line
good luck!
In a message dated 7/4/03 4:56:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, freakydramagurl02@... writes:

i have been diagnosed with HPV for a long while now, im 19, and i
think im just now staring to get external warts, what do they usually
look like? I am scared and dont know what i can do about them, i
dont want to go to the doctor cause i really cant afford it, is there
an over the counter cream i culd use??? Please help im really scared
and freaked out.
kara

i have been diagnosed with HPV for a long while now, im 19, and i
think im just now staring to get external warts, what do they usually
look like? I am scared and dont know what i can do about them, i
dont want to go to the doctor cause i really cant afford it, is there
an over the counter cream i culd use??? Please help im really scared
and freaked out.
kara

First, find a new doctor. The fact that he does not
respect your privacy and your sexual choices (that he
knows nohting of) and judges you based on naive
assumptions makes this guy a jerk, in my book. I
would guess that he is older and religious (not that
being religious in a general sense means anything, but
there are certain stereotypes, 'moral' beliefs, etc.
that go hand in hand - don't read too much into this,
though). There are people that make 'assumptions'
about other people based on their 'perceived' moral
values. This is very problematic of our society in
general and it speaks quantities about the state of
the country, as a general populace.
Second, as a son of Naturopathic physician, I can
informatively tell you that he (your doc) knows
nothing about holistic health, nor does he care to.
There are many, the younger doctors, that are
accepting the fact that typical medicine is not the
only answer, and in many cases, not the best one. I
could go on and on, but anyone who denounces a much
older way of treatment, much more thoroughly used
throughout the world, in one general defacto statement
will be wrong about many things. Its just naivete,
plain and simple.
I am not trying to say that holistic medicine is the
only way, not by any means. There is a time and a
place for everything.
I would find yourself a decent physician, one that
won't judge you based on something that is with 70-80%
of the sexually active population (you should ask how
he feels about them, no doubt his answer will be to
abstain from sex until marriage - I had a doc tell me
that). Your doctor should also encourage you to learn
what you can. He knows nothing about holistic healing
(as a group, as there are many different types), just
that he's been told that it is not 'scientifically'
proven (and it won't be, because there are no drug
companies making billions off the products to fund
research in one conclusive study, which they have to
do anyway because all drugs have side effects where as
most holistic healing does not).

Dr. Hargroders assistant told me to chew some gas-x, it worked miracles.
Don't understand the sore butt thing and don't think I want to know :o)
I hope you get to feeling better soon and I hope that is the only problems
you have.
It is going to be okay once you get through the first couple days.
Oh by the way I work with one of your neighbors.
Laurie
"Mike Welborn"
<welborn3895@... To:

Well, I'm at home. I am miserable. Gas and a sore butt. I don't want
to sit down but can't stand forever either. I am going though all
the groups messages that I saved to make things better. Thanks all
for the support.

Hi,
My name is Carrie, and I was diagnosed with HPV with mild dysplasia
in February. My gynecologist was not very nice to me about it at
first, he treated me as if I'd been sleeping around and was
accusatory in his tone....when I've only had 5 partners my whole life
(I'm 28) and my husband and I have been together for three years and
neither one of us have cheated on the other. My gynecologist also
did not give me much information about HPV, and even though I was
very active in college in peer education about STDs I had heard very
little about it was. I had to read a few books (one of them which I
highly recommend is by Dr. Henderson and called "Women at Risk") in
order to make sense of it.
From what I understand, we will never be able to get rid of this
virus, but we can suppress it. I was never prescribed with anything,
but I have heard of some herbal treatments out there from doing a lot
of reading. Is there anyone out there who has tried some herbal
treatments and had success with them? I mentioned vaginal
suppositories with vitamin C (Vag-pak is one of them) to my doctor,
and he told me they wouldn't help and to stay away from information
on herbal treatments and holistic health...that it wouldn't help at
all.
I am overweight, so I know I need to make a lot of lifestyle changes
to be in good health and battle this thing. My lifestyle of working
too hard and overeating definitely is going to take lots of time. I
would like to hear from others about what they have used for
treatment, and the steps they are taking for a healthier lifestyle.
Thanks :)
Carrie

I am not sure exactly what you mean by this quote, but
I'll make an assumption...
"Not many studies say this can show
up even if you use pertection."
You are saying that studies show that this won't show
up with protection? Or, rather, that protection
works? That is incorrect, if that's what you mean.
It is a skin to skin transmission, not a fluid
transmission (like most stds) where a condom would
provide protection. Therefore, you needn't blame
yourself for having unprotected sex (although I would
always suggest that you wait until you both are tested
for other stds, as you never know who has what, or
even they may not know).
Talk with the guy. You don't seem so sure you had it
before him. Perhaps he had it and was not aware of
it. He could have carried it without any symptoms and
would have had no idea what he had. Same could have
been the case with you.
Eitherway, you need to talk to him about it. Most
likely, he has it also. You should try not to
approach the situation with apologies - no one is to
blame, it is just part of the risk in life (and sex).
You should try to work on this together, and explain
to him what hpv is, how it's transmitted (with or
without a condom), and that 70-80% of the sexually
active people have it, but only 5% know they do (and
that you both could have or may not have, had it
before, but that is not important anymore). The most
important thing is to accept this as a couple, as it
is now both of your responsibilities.
--- a_dragonprincess <a_dragonprincess@...

Hello..I am new here,my boyfriend is a very very careful guy,he
trusted me and had unpertected sex with me,I am only his secound with
out.A couple months later this HPV showed up on my cervic,I have no
warts and nobody I was aware of before him had any visable warts.I
wasn't as pure as him,I feel aweful.I feel this would never have
befallen him if he trust me.This was only my frist pap smear and it
was after we had been together a month.I am scared he will resent me
and think deep down it's my fault.Not many studies say this can show
up even if you use pertection.He is a sweetheart I don't want to lose
him or him to blame me.Or resentment may ocurr..I can't deal with
being something he regrets.

Maybe even something in-between here and there...
I'm not in the mood to talk about food right now, though...
I just ate some barbeque chicken and I think I'm about to get a
refund on it.
Fine with me. It hit really hard for some reason.
a

well i contracted hpv when i was pregnant.. and my daughter is fine..
though i wasn't diagnosed until my 6 week post check up.. but the
dr.s would just keep an extra close eye on you :)-

Thanks Bubba. I hope it's a good Saturday....LOL. We won't be
picky, we'll just head down there. :-)
anna

My boyfriend was treated at a local men's health clinic at a very very low cost. You might try looking for a similar clinic in your area. If you are a student or have low income there are almost discounts for the services rendered.

Ashley Davidson

Georgia,

I will talk to them at River West on Dec. 7th about a Saturday meeting. I am thinking if we have the meeting there Shawn or Karen or someone will have to be there with us as a sponsor like we do for our regular monthly meeting. They do this on their own time and asking them to give up a Saturday maybe hard to get them to do because they work five days a week like the rest of us. But that is just my opinion I have not ask them but I will find out more on the 7th.

We will make this happen somehow somewhere.

Talk to you lighter...

Bubba

Does anybody have experience with this treatment?

Recently diagnosed with HPV. I have one GW that has not been treated for over a year and a half. I NEVER imagined that it could be related to an STD (I've had a small number of partners, and always practiced safe sex). But now I know better. I do not have health insurance and cannot visit the doctor until at least September. I would like to try treating this as soon as possilbe in an attempt to rid myself of the physical manifestations of the disease in the meantime. Any advice would be appreciated.

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kuk0oo0 <kuk0oo0@...

Hi Melanie,
I'm sorry to hear about your frustrations. I'm not sure if I can
shed any light on the situation, but I can tell you what I have
experienced. I also have a doctor who I think is learning about hpv
along with me. I first saw her last November when she did a biopsy,
colposcopy and then cryotherapy on me. I think the only reason I
stick with her is because I get a papsmear and liquid nitrogen
treatment for external warts, every three months. She has also given
me a lifetime supply of aldara. She diagnosed me with both low and
high risk hpv. Even though I think I am doing everything I can
possibly do, I have made an appointment with another doctor on the
25th of August. Even though my insurance won't pay for this one, I
feel that knowledge is piece of mind. My thearapist actually made
the referral and even though this doctor isn't what you would call an
hpv specialist, apparently, she has allot of experience with hpv.
So, if I were you, I would ask your doctor if she knows what kind of
hpv you have. If she doesn't understand the question, ask her if you
have low-risk, or high-risk, or both. If you had a colposcopy, there
should be something in your file. If there isn't, something is
fishy.
As for the infections, it's my limited understanding, that hpv can
change the chemistry of the vagina (causing yeast infections, etc).
But that's limited knowledge - I with I could help you more here. I
absolutely would not use aldara for anything other than external
warts. It isn't for anything else. And if you have an infection, it
will probably hurt like hell and make things worse. I think your
doctor is a little bit confused.
When your doctor says things like "you don't have the kind that cause
genital warts" and "the strain you have doesn't affect men", I get a
little angry. No one can say those things for sure. I want to know
how she knows those things. That's a bunch of who ha! The "strain"
huh? And just what kind of strain does she think you have? That
would be my first question for her. - sorry, I didn't mean to get a
little angry there. : )
I think you should seriously think about getting another opinion. If
I were you, I would probably go to planned parenthood or something
like that and ask some questions. If nothing else, maybe they can
refer you to a doctor, in your area, who knows something about hpv.
Before you go to the doctor, write your questions down and go ahead
and take notes if you want. I don't know about you, but my head
starts spinning when I feel cold medal and they start talking about
warts. ug!
One other thing, you were talking about mirrors and crazy positions.
When I first saw a doctor, she told me to squat over a mirror. So, I
use a magnified mirror with lights and that seems to work the best.
Please let us know if you have any other questions and keep us
informed as to how things are going.
best of luck.
s
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Hi I check in on Mike and Dale yesterday afternoon they were both doing great. Mike should go home today "Thursday" and Dale will stay an extra day to build up to the drive back to Florida. Dale should be on the web site in about a week. They both had a great outlook on what's was to come.

Rick Deshotel
Plaquemine, La
March 30, 2004

I am having the same thoughts. I felt a lot of resent towards my boyfriend when he told me. I kept thinking, what if he is not the right one, now I have this and how am I going to convince someone else to want to be with me. I have seen several sites for singles with HPV but who wants to be limited to a group like that. Maybe it¡Çs a good place to start, however. As a woman, I am concerned about having children and also cervical cancer. Maybe in a few years there will be a vaccine. I wish I had some real advice but I can only offer my condolences and say that I¡Çm in the same place you are.

Ashley Davidson

Hi Melanie,
I'm sorry to hear about your frustrations. I'm not sure if I can
shed any light on the situation, but I can tell you what I have
experienced. I also have a doctor who I think is learning about hpv
along with me. I first saw her last November when she did a biopsy,
colposcopy and then cryotherapy on me. I think the only reason I
stick with her is because I get a papsmear and liquid nitrogen
treatment for external warts, every three months. She has also given
me a lifetime supply of aldara. She diagnosed me with both low and
high risk hpv. Even though I think I am doing everything I can
possibly do, I have made an appointment with another doctor on the
25th of August. Even though my insurance won't pay for this one, I
feel that knowledge is piece of mind. My thearapist actually made
the referral and even though this doctor isn't what you would call an
hpv specialist, apparently, she has allot of experience with hpv.
So, if I were you, I would ask your doctor if she knows what kind of
hpv you have. If she doesn't understand the question, ask her if you
have low-risk, or high-risk, or both. If you had a colposcopy, there
should be something in your file. If there isn't, something is
fishy.
As for the infections, it's my limited understanding, that hpv can
change the chemistry of the vagina (causing yeast infections, etc).
But that's limited knowledge - I with I could help you more here. I
absolutely would not use aldara for anything other than external
warts. It isn't for anything else. And if you have an infection, it
will probably hurt like hell and make things worse. I think your
doctor is a little bit confused.
When your doctor says things like "you don't have the kind that cause
genital warts" and "the strain you have doesn't affect men", I get a
little angry. No one can say those things for sure. I want to know
how she knows those things. That's a bunch of who ha! The "strain"
huh? And just what kind of strain does she think you have? That
would be my first question for her. - sorry, I didn't mean to get a
little angry there. : )
I think you should seriously think about getting another opinion. If
I were you, I would probably go to planned parenthood or something
like that and ask some questions. If nothing else, maybe they can
refer you to a doctor, in your area, who knows something about hpv.
Before you go to the doctor, write your questions down and go ahead
and take notes if you want. I don't know about you, but my head
starts spinning when I feel cold medal and they start talking about
warts. ug!
One other thing, you were talking about mirrors and crazy positions.
When I first saw a doctor, she told me to squat over a mirror. So, I
use a magnified mirror with lights and that seems to work the best.
Please let us know if you have any other questions and keep us
informed as to how things are going.
best of luck.
s

Has anyone heard from Mike?
Laurie

Hi there -
I'm new to the group... and of course, I have questions. My doctor
only half answers the questions I ask her, and I sometimes don't
think she even knows what the heck she's talking about. It seems from
the info I can find online that so very little is known about HPV,
*especially* if you don't have warts.
I was diagnosed with HPV about 2 years ago (age 26 at the time) -
after not having been sexually active for 7 years (yes, really, :P).
I've never had a genital wart, and never shown any symptoms, other
than an abnormal pap about 5 years before diagnosis. I had a
colposcopy then (and have had two since - if I NEVER have to do that
again, I will be thrilled), but my doctor then (changed doctors
since) said she found nothing. All paps were normal after that until
2 years ago. My doctor had very little information for me upon
diagnosis, only that it was the most common STD, that I didn't have
the one that caused genital warts (though she's never told me which
one I have), and that it meant paps every six months (oh yay). She
also said that the strain I have doesn't affect men (I had JUST met
my now boyfriend and was worried more about that...) but that they
can carry it and infect others.
She did mention something about infections... and this is where my
first question comes in. At the time I did some research, and
concluded that this was mainly just an annoyance. I seem to remember
reading though that women with HPV were more prone to other
infections (though I may have made this up - I cannot seem to find
what I read before). Anyway, since then I've had BV (bacterial
vaginosis for those of you who have not yet suffered that indignity),
two yeast infections, and now I've got some sort of mysterious
bacterial infection that won't go away. Just today I got back results
after having been treated and seen again - no go. Still there. On to
the second round of Azithromycin. My doctor again mentioned that this
had something to do with the HPV, but good lord, she just doesn't
fully explain anything. (My BF also had to be treated, as she said
it's an infection that can be passed around, though it's not an STD
[?] and the most frustrating part is that she's instructed me to have
no sexual relations until this is cleared up. Um. That is not easy.)
Has anyone else experienced more problems with infections since
contracting HPV? Or is it just me? Can anyone possible shed any light
onto a mysterious bacterial infection that has some sort of effect on
how often you have to pee, but isn't a bladder infection??
The second round of questioning kind of ties into all this too. Even
after treating the yeast infection, I've had some pretty bad problems
with itching. When I asked the doctor about it, she mentioned Aldara,
even though I do not have warts (I have checked and double checked,
feeling around and getting into some weird poses in front of the
mirror. :P). I cannot find anything online that suggests you should
use Aldara on anything but the actual warts, in fact one of the side
effects seems to be itching, so it seems an odd suggestion to me.
Anyone come across this sort of phenomenon?
I'm going to try and corner her and MAKE her answer more completely
next time, but in the meantime, I'm looking for information to arm
myself with. Any know-it-alls out there (and I mean that in a good
way) who can help me build the arsenal?
Ok, and one more probably stupid question: I had warts on my hand
when I was a kid, and have had a flat wart on my neck since I was 10.
(Never cared enough to get rid of it, and you can't really see it.) I
know that everything I've read says that those and the STD version of
HPV and genital warts are all supposed to be different... but I'm
just curious how many of you have had other kinds of warts. Feel free
to email me privately or whatever you like. (Even though I doubt
there are more than 3 people who have read this far, and even less
that will respond. :P)
Pardon my first post being this long, and I hope no one's offended by
the sense of humor I use to deal with this kind of crapola. I just
find if you can't laugh about something, the only other thing to do
is wallow in misery, and that isn't near as fun as laughing about
it. :)
Also, I just have to say, I went back and read past posts before
posting this, and I'm really impressed with the way you all deal with
this stuff - and I'm glad I found you guys already. If it weren't for
reading all of your frank and open emails, I wouldn't have asked all
these questions. So, what I'm saying is, it's your own fault. :)
(just kidding, of course.)
Thanks!
Melanie

There are many different types of the hpv virus. The
numbr of types identified seems to grow everyday.
I've seen estimates as high as 150. Some types cause
the common warts that kids often get on their fingers.
Other types infect genitals and other parts of the
body. These types are often called genital hpv or
ghpv. Certain types of ghpv have been shown to cause
cell changes that can lead to cervical and other
cancers, particularly cervical cancer. These types
are referred to as high-risk types, while the
remainder are referred to as low-risk types.
Generally, its the low-risk types that cause the
warts, although only a small percentage of those
infected with hpv will have warts. The rest of the
people infected remain symptomless.
Having warts doesn't insure that you have a low-risk
type since you could be infected with another type as
well, and having a high-risk type doesn't mean you
won't get warts.
There is a test that is used to distinguish between
low- and high-risk types. You did not say if you had
this test, but the behavior of your doctor
(recommending frequent paps) suggests that it may
have been done. Women who are infected with one or
more high-risk types of the virus should be examined
more frequently since they have a higher risk of
developing dysplasia.
If someone is infected with an hpv virus, he or she
could have a variety of symptoms other than warts.
For example, redness and itching are possible. It
would be interesting to hear from other members of the
group about other hpv symptoms. It would also be
interesting to hear if others have experienced any
other types of infections.
It sounds like you and your doctor don't see eye to
eye on how much information a doctor should reveal to
a patient. You might do better finding a different
doctor who is more willing to share thoughts and test
results with you. If you can afford it, a second
opinion may be helpful. Every doctor has a different
style and set of experiences.

I went back to work after 3 weeks and I wish I had waited 4 weeks. I
felt like I was ready but I barely made it through the day for a few
weeks after that. I think the extra week would have helped. I think
that part of it is that you are in a very rapid weight loss stage and
are eating basically nothing. It gets better, I promise. Take care
of yourself and be patient.
I also weighed myself every day and sometimes more than once. This
can drive you nuts. Try to break that habit now because your weight
loss will slow down as time passes. My loss was something like this -
1stmo - 31#, 2nd mo - 13#, 3rd mo - 10 lb, 4th mo - 9# and downhill
from there. Slow and steady. At 16 months out I am one pound from
goal.
Please do not starve yourself! Follow your diet (which is pretty
much liquids and mush for now) and eat as much nutritious food as you
can whenever you are healed. Starving yourself to lose faster will
only hurt you. Food is fuel. We need fuel to keep our motor
running! If you fall into a pattern of starving you will slow down
your metabolism, deplete your energy, and be really grouchy. :):):)
I wish I could turn up the clock so these days pass faster for
you "newbies" but it must pass one day at a time. The best is yet to
come!
Mike, write to us when you get home and let us know how you are doing.
Have a great day.
Sharon

I've just been diagnosed with HPV but not yet confirmed by a biopsy,
there are not growths above the skin only like mole formations about
5 spots brown spots and i've not had sex in a year and a half and
they have just appeard in the last 6 months or so or that is when i
noticed them i never really looked for them. I'm praying that it is
something else but i fear the worse. My question is if they are hpv
is there ways of finding a mate in life or having children etc etc
and have any of you done it being single and carrying on life
normally proceeding with a normal life I can't seem to get it off my
mind thinking how this girl has ruined my life first she tricked me
into knocking her up the left me and now left me with this to
remember her forever but thats another storys please respond with
how you manage to maintain a hold on reality and find love in life
with out embarressment or complete lonlyness.
Sincerely: Larry C. Bowman

Thanks Bubba. I really hate to come empty handed though. I might
think of something. Anyway, I will be leaving work around 5:30. I
work at the General on Bluebonnet. Anyone that wants to come could
meet me there. Just let me know.
Sharon

Very good advice Cherie. I agree she needs to go to the meetings they, like this site, are there to help you.

Cherie we would love to have you at a RW meeting again. If possible try to make it on Dec. 7 th this is our little Christmas get together.

Talk to you Lighter...

Bubba

well i was diagnosed a while ago with a bad pap.. but im still very
new to the whole outbreak thing.. But i do know that it can remain
dormant for years and never have an outbreak but you can still spread
it to others.. and one thing to keep in mind.. its skin to skin
contact that spreads it.. not bodily fluids.. so condoms really dont
work for this kind of std.. just like herpes..
but just be sure to get yourself tested every 6 months from here on
out-

Yes Sharon it is Dec.7 at 6:30. You do not need to bring anything. We understand about you coming straight from work. They usually have plates and stuff for us so just be There :)

Bubba

I am looking forward to seeing you again. I hope Georgia can make it too.

Jessica.....I personally have not used it -- but from what I've heard
it is not worth the money -- invest in vitamins -- it probably does
the same. There are a couple good posts on here that have lists of
vitamins we should be taking and the miligrams.
Hope this helps!
Debra

Laurie,

I think medicine does absorb faster, at least it does for me. And I also find that I can take a smaller dose. For example, with liquid Motrin, I only take a small amount, and only if I really, really need it, and it works well (for a headache). I don't like to take it very often because I don't want to irritate my stomach. I never could drink very much alcohol before my surgery - it would go straight to my head, so I'd hate to think what it would do now!

Linda
Linda [INLINE]

My boyfriend has HPV and my tests are at the lab. He "discovered"
his HPV because of an outbreak and went to the dr. I haven't ever
had symptoms, although that doesn't garuntee anything. Once he
heals up, so to speak, we're going to find it impossible to resist
sex. How can we have sex safely if I don't have it or even if I
do. I am scared to have sex right now and all this is totally new
to me. After 8 months something suddenly shows up and its hard to
believe that he has been faithful even though HPV can be dormant. I
am pretty lost about dealing with this and any encouragement or
information would help.
Ashley

Does medicine have a different effect after the surgery? Last night I took
a sleeping pill and 10 minutes (not exaggerating) later I could barely
stand up. I was putting wood on the fire and almost feel.
Laurie

I'm afraid I agree with the other response: it doesn't sound like
genital warts. Maybe an ingrown hair, mean hair follicle, or
something? But if there are many, maybe.. I don't know. See your
doctor while they are there. Maybe see another doctor? To be sure..
I've never heard of a gw coming to a head with puss.

Don't feel bad Laurie... I haven't loss anything since Sunday either and it's driving me crazy... I don't know what the deal is but I can't imagen why I'm not losing... I was told this is normal but it so aggravating getting on the scale and it's not moving... the only bright thing is at least it isn't going up... it's just staying the same... Are you going to the meeting tonight at Neweigh...???

That's not genital warts, lolli. I strongly suggest
you find time to get to the doctor.

I am upset I have only lost another pound. I am not eating, so why I am
not losing. Okay I did eat 5 bites of oatmeal today and some smashed
redbeans last night. That is the only "solid" food I have had. So I have
only lost 25lbs. I guess that really isn't bad for 13 days, but the scale
hasn't moved since Sunday. Isn't it to soon for me to be hitting a
plateau???

i was diagnosed with HPV i'd say about a year or two ago.. have had
bad paps every since.. but just recently i've been having actual
external outbreaks... they say its cause i'm stressed out and that
lowers your immune system or whatever.. But my nasty question is
this...
are genital warts almost like pimples? i mean i had one.. and i dont
have the time to go to the dr. every time i see one so i just wait
for it to go away.. but it looked almost like a white head.. and well
when i put pressure on it.. puss stuff came out and it was gone in
two days.. i mean some of them jsut seem hard.. and since i dont go
to the gyno every time.. i put hydrogyn peroxide on them hopeing to
get rid of them... any thoughts?
sorry so graphic :(

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sharon,
I'm hoping and praying that I'll be able to make the
Dec. 7th meeting also. That's the day I go to
Court...so we'll have to wait and see. I'm going to
make something in advance though, just in case I DO
get to go! I really want to see everyone, and meet
the "newbies"!!!!!
Georgia

Ohhhhhh, I like the idea of a Saturday meeting once in
a while...maybe once a month? hmmmmmmmmm....
Georgia

There was talk about a Saturday meeting at RWMC, our group has been
asking about the date... Does anyone have any information? Or has
it been discussed at one of the meetings? Since we live in Central
Louisiana, it's impossible for us to attend a meeting during the
week...we were just wondering... out loud.
a

Can anyone provide me with some information regarding Beta-Mannan
such as how well it works. I am seriously thinking of purchasing it
from its company Alotek and would like to know about it from someone
other than the company.
Thank you,
Jessica

Hi
I'm no doctor, but it kinda sounds like hemorrhoids. There's a lot of ignorant doctors. I remember when I went to this small clinic and I told the doctor I wanted to get checked for HPV, and she was like "HPV? That's something only women get", I was so confused, I belived her and just went back home.
Where are you located?
I went to this other clinic in NYC and I got treated for free. It's a really nice place, and everyone is very polite.
I got them frozen in February and haven't seen/felt anything every since!
good luck
In a message dated 6/23/03 12:04:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, amoomey@... writes:

my anal warts came back about a month ago. my failed attempts at gettin my
appointments bumped up led to today's appointment. and the problem is
completely out of control. a week ago i bleed for like 3 days. the er turned me
away and said it was the clinics problem and the clinic today at the countries
supposed top cancer research hospital said i had 3 little warts and that was it.
they are fucking wrong. i keep gettting dumb down there my urine and
orgasms sting and burn. my penis, although not warts on it, is getting
discolored , all purlple in spots. my butt crack turns red sometimes. when i
look at my anus myself i can see that the skin has the large growths and to
feel the inside is the same. this damn doctor said he saw nothing. i'm pissed
and don't know what to do. writing here wont even help. my body feels toxic
and there's this god aweful smell down there like it's infected. i cant believe
this doctor turned me away today without even taking a urine sample for gods
sake.
i guess i just need to vent.

Hey guys, I plan to come to the December meeting. Is it Dec. 7th at
6:30? Also, I know that this is one that we bring a covered dish to,
but I will be leaving work and heading up there. Could I bring
something "non-food" like plates or cups? I might be able to come up
with something that won't spoil if I bring it to work for the day. I
need to check out some recipes. Just let me know...
Sharon

my anal warts came back about a month ago. my failed attempts at gettin my
appointments bumped up led to today's appointment. and the problem is
completely out of control. a week ago i bleed for like 3 days. the er turned
me
away and said it was the clinics problem and the clinic today at the countries
supposed top cancer research hospital said i had 3 little warts and that was it.
they are fucking wrong. i keep gettting dumb down there my urine and
orgasms sting and burn. my penis, although not warts on it, is getting
discolored , all purlple in spots. my butt crack turns red sometimes. when i
look at my anus myself i can see that the skin has the large growths and to
feel the inside is the same. this damn doctor said he saw nothing. i'm pissed
and don't know what to do. writing here wont even help. my body feels toxic
and there's this god aweful smell down there like it's infected. i cant believe
this doctor turned me away today without even taking a urine sample for gods
sake.
i guess i just need to vent.

There are a few good internet sites that list side
effects for various chemicals and nutritional
supplements. Often these sites have better
information than is supplied by the manufacturer. One
possible side effect of large doses of Vitamin C is
kidney stones, so if you are having pains in your
back, you might want to get that checked out. 2 grams
a day is considered a very large dose.
Its difficult to find solid scientific information on
vitamins because there is so much information supplied
by people who are stating opinions rather than
deriving their suggestions from well-designed
scientific studies. The nutritional supplement
industry has a lot to gain financially by encouraging
people to tout their products as promoting health.
There arem however, studies carried out by excellent
researchers. Some have directly addressed how
supplements affect the course of hpv infections. With
some effort you can track these down online using
search engines.
The important thing is not to confuse correlation with
cause. Over time many people's hpv symptoms subside
or disappear completely, with no intervention. If you
start taking supplements and find your symptoms
abating, can you say it was caused by the supplements
or was it merely a correlation? As one researcher
noted, many people could bury a potato in their
backyard and find that their hpv symptoms decrease or
go away. Only a well-designed scientific study will
be able to determine if a supplement is really causing
the change in symptoms. That usually means comparing
groups of people who either use or don't use the
supplement. If anyone is interested in doing the
research, it would be helpful to collect scientific
research that shows which nutritional supplements have
a significant effect on the hpv virus and its
symptoms. The ones I named in my previous email do
have studies to support their efficacy.

Please forgive the multiple posts, it's still early! LOL

For more information on the event, please visit http://www.AtlantaHClub.com/hotlanta2003 or email us at Atlanta H Club @ Atlanta H Club.com

Please sign the guestbook!!

Atlanta's Fourth Annual HOTLANTA event is coming up fast!

When? August 14-17 2003

Where? The Atlanta Airport's Westin Hotel - Rooms are $79.00 per night and you MUST tell them you are with "The Atlanta Club" to get this special rate.

How much? $38.00 - Fee goes up to $48.00 on July 20th, so register early and $$ave!!

Que Pasa a la Fiesta - Early Bird Registrations will be taking place from 12-4 Thursday the 14th in the Swan Room.

Thursday night'ers have a choice: You can go to the HELP meeting with Matthew from 7-9pm and then head over to B52's OR you can meet me in the lobby of the Westin at 8pm and we'll take the hotel shuttle over to B52's to get a head start on the meeting go'ers.

B52's is a great little place with pool tables, a dance floor, food, video games, etc. It's nice & cozy, and we should have the place pretty much to ourselves, if it's anything like last year.

If you are planning to go to the HELP meeting, please email Matthew @ AtlantaHClub . com so he will know how many people to arrange transportation for.

Friday the 15th - Breakfast at 10am at Palio's, they have a yummy breakfast buffet and it's around $10.95 per person for us. (You will get your coupons when you register)

Registrations from 11-6 in the Swan Room - After you check in with the hotel, PLEASE come staight to the Swan Room to get your nametags, wristbands, etc. Once you are all checked in, you have several choices of what to do from there. If you would like to go explore Atlanta, you can take the hotel shuttle to the Marta station and from there you can go just about anywhere! Check with anyone from Atlanta to get ideas of interesting places to see.

If you would rather just stick around the hotel and see your friends as they come in, you can either head on up to the pool or you can hang out at the hotel bar which is right by the Swan Room, so you won't miss anyone!

Friday night - Meet in the Swan Room at 7pm for a night of meeting, greeting, dancing, mingling, karaoke-ing, and general mayhem. We will have our own bartender IN the Swan Room this year, so you don't have to go out to Martini's (the name of the hotel bar) to get a drink. We will have the Swan Room until 12pm, then we will migrate to the hotel bar for drinks and I'm sure someone will have a bash in their room again this year. (Deena? Craig?)

Saturday the 16th - For those alive at 10:00am, we will be meeting at Palio's for breakfast. Then, from 12 - 5, it's the by-now-World-Famous HOTlanta pool party! We will have music, water-volleyball, and other pool games. Lunch will be served at 1:00 and will be pretty much the same as last year: sub sandwiches, sodas, chips, veggie & fruit trays, etc.

Saturday night - "The Fiesta" in the banquet room! There will be an All-You-Can-Eat Mexican buffet, music, dancing, more mingling and party games (No, not strip poker! LOL). There will also be a cash bar (complete with margaritas!) so we don't have to go downstairs to get drinks. Have your party shoes on because this is the main event and we will be going strong all night!

Sunday - Meet in Palio's again for breakfast, then good-byes in the hotel lobby. First-timers: You will want to have an address book or something to take notes on, so that you can keep in touch with all the great friends you've made over the weekend!!

Welcome to the sad world of dumping. It gets us all sooner or later. I
never know what is going to make me sick. I haven't drank Atkins, but I
have had EAS carb control and they have worked well. Give a few days
before you try something new. Hope you are well soon.
Tina

Just a Reminder to the new pre op people. Remember to take some pictures of yourself before surgery. It is so amazing to watch the transformation.

Talk to you Lighter...

Bubba

I bought some atkins shakes because they are high in protein and low carb.
I don't think my body likes them though because I am soooooooo sick right
now. This is the first thing I have had that has actually made me sick.
Has anyone else had success with those?
Laurie

Congrats. I can't wait myself. I am having my surgery tommorrow
11/30/2004. I am in and out of Exxon regulary. Hope to see ya there
is a couple of weeks.
Mike Welborn
Lap RNY Bypass
Dr. Hargroder 11/30/04
462 /462 / 240

I would use one package until it was gone. Not ideal, I'd guess, but it worked. I just figured I'd keep some around in case I needed it in the future.

iategrass <iategrass@...

i was just wondering if anyone knew why it is not recommended to use
the remainder of the cream on your next application. does it start
to break down chemically after it is opened?
also, can anyone recommend a remedy for the irritation i get from
using aldara?
all suggestions appreciated. thanks!
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I've now been told by two doctors to reuse my Aldara. LOL. One packet
lasted me a week, then she said to toss it even if there's any left
after a week. She had me secure the top with a paperclip, then seal it
in a ziplock. Worked OK for me. Got rid of my warts. For irritation,
didn't someone say something about vitamin e? Eh ... don't ask me, I
obviously don't know for sure. LOL.

HI, MIKE,

YOU'LL DO FINE TOMORROW. YOU'RE IN GOOD HANDS WITH DR. H & HIS STAFF.

IT MAKES YOU FEEL GOOD THAT HE IS SO THOROUGH WITH ALL HIS TESTING.

TAKE CARE & GOD BLESS!!

MIKELYNN

Mike Welborn <welborn3895@...

Well I survived the preop at Riverwest today. Boy do they poke and
prod. I have a surgery buddy and her name is Dale. I talked all day
with her and explained how much the group has helped me and she will
be joining the group when she returns to Florida. My surgery is at
11:00am on 11/30/2004. I hope everything goes ok. Thanks for all the
support.
Mike Welborn
Lap RNY Bypass
Dr. Hargroder 11/30/04
452 /452 / 240

i was just wondering if anyone knew why it is not recommended to use
the remainder of the cream on your next application. does it start
to break down chemically after it is opened?
also, can anyone recommend a remedy for the irritation i get from
using aldara?
all suggestions appreciated. thanks!

Well I survived the preop at Riverwest today. Boy do they poke and
prod. I have a surgery buddy and her name is Dale. I talked all day
with her and explained how much the group has helped me and she will
be joining the group when she returns to Florida. My surgery is at
11:00am on 11/30/2004. I hope everything goes ok. Thanks for all the
support.
Mike Welborn
Lap RNY Bypass
Dr. Hargroder 11/30/04
452 /452 / 240

Just writing you from experience (although everyone's bodies are different) My boyfriend and I both have HPV...we only know because I got warts. We still had sex when I had an outbreak...and to this day he has yet to get an outbreak. It will be 3 years in October that we've known about it.

It has never stopped us...and I've never had internal warts either. It just depends on how comfortable you guys are with each other, and how comfortable you are with yourself.

~*~*Jessica*~*~

simplyjess@...

"I never hated a man enough to give him diamonds back" Zsa Zsa Gabor

All I know is that you can be certain that HPV varies from person to
person, sometimes quite a bit.

i was diagnosed with genital warts a year ago and am still having outbreaks :( . my boyfriend has shown nothing yet, but if i have sex with him while i have a bump does that increase his chance of one showing up?? this is very stressful and is putting a bit of a damper on our relationship. we are very much in love but everytime we start getting "into it" i fall into a depression because i know i cant do anything. i am using aldara now, which worked before but the bumps i have now just wont seem to go away. does anyone have any ideas of what i can do to get my sex life back to normal?

oh yeah, and one more question: if he has no bumps on his penis, and we have sex, can that make me get internal warts??

thank you all for your help its great to be able to relate to someone and actually get some answers since my doctor and gynecologist seem to be absolutely clueless about the subject :)

Laurie, re: cravings...they're horrible aren't they? In the beginning, one thing you could do...is to chew on whatever it is you're craving, then SPIT IT OUT before swallowing. I know, I know, sounds stupid, but a dorito was the one thing I really really wanted in the beginning. Anyone else have any input here? LOLOL

Georgia

What do you do about cravings??? Like right now I would LOVE some chips,
something really salty.
Laurie

I've researched and read just about everything about HPV. (With a few
extra sleepless nights) So now I'm educated, resting, and refocused
on my diet/exercise, but the more pictures I look at, the more I
wonder if it really was/is HPV. I know most pictures are worst case,
but still I wonder because they really looked nothing like any of
them.
Well mine where brown spots, raised and grew over over time. I sort
of now wish I took a picture.
Anyway, I did find this intresting web site with information and good
pictures of about EVERYTHING but HPV. Found this a bit strange...
http://dermis.multimedica.de/index_e.htm

Well, I am back at work and SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoo glad to be here. I was
going crazy at home. I am feeling great, and I am 25lbs lighter.
Hope everyone has a great day.

I had cryo done on my first wart 4 years ago. I had no scarring
whatsoever. And nothing came back, until 4 years later. After about
two weeks everything looked normal... I'm considering saying screw-
it to aldara and go back for cryo again, even though its a fairly
undesirable method, pain wise.

I have used aldara. I am a girl so it may have different results for you. It took awhile to see results. I tried it for two months and saw nothing. It caused a lot of irratation. I couldn't go to the bathroom, walk, stand up, sit down, not a good expierience. But like I said I am a girl so the results may be different. If you can try to get them talking off with acid. I went in every week and had the doctor apply it. I had a really bad break out and it took about a month for them to go away. It was a lot better

Hope that helped.
jim <uare77@...

I'm trying Aldara now for about a week. I'm hoping I get some
results from it. Has anyone else used it or currently using it?
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i've been on it for a month and I havent noticed much. I have 4
really small warts and one of them (the largest) looks and feels a
little smaller but its really hard to tell.

I'm trying Aldara now for about a week. I'm hoping I get some
results from it. Has anyone else used it or currently using it?

Ok, i've read a few places on the web about this, but I would like
some experiences from others?
"Cryosurgery leaves little or no scar. After the area has healed, the
treated skin may be a bit lighter in color than the skin around it."
Has it stayed lighter? If not how long did it take for the color to
come back? I've heard 6 months - 1 year?

Hang in there. Life may seem downright awful right now, but it will
et better. Just hang in there and you will meet someone who will
understand. Have you received counseling for you rape?

yeah, Bubba, I saw the pics u posted, amazing...you look great.
I'd buy a house from ya...
a

Hi Bob,
I tried Oxy-med a few months ago, it did absolutely nothing for me,
but they did give me a refund when I sent it back to them. I've tried
just about everything and so far the only thing that worked a little
bit was "Warts No More" made by "Forces of Nature" but it only worked
on some of my warts, not all. It seems like different things work for
different people, so Oxy-med could work for you...who knows? I am
trying the Condysil creme right now. I've been on it for less than 3
wks and I am not sure if its working. You're supposed to use it for 4-
6 wks, and the thing is almost empty already because they tell you to
really glob it on. I just ordered another thing of the creme and also
a bottle of the Condysil gel in case the creme doesn't work. The gel
has a small amount of salycylic acid in it and I haven't tried any
products with any acid in them yet, so maybe